Author Archives: Henry Chamberlain

About Henry Chamberlain

I am both a fan and creator of comics. I believe people have come to know me as a thoughtful guy. I hope you enjoy the views expressed here at Comics Grinder.

America First? Time to Protest! Time to March!

“We were always suckers for ridiculous hats.”

America First or

America Last?

A criminal, when possible,

gets an added delight

when he can pull off his crime

right in plain sight.

Sounds like something out of Green Eggs and Ham, doesn’t it? I just thought up those lines as I’ve been looking over Theodor “Dr. Suess” Geisel’s career as a political cartoonist (1941 to 1943).

We have come to accept that the Orange One revels in this hiding in plain sight, with his MAGA hats and his embracing fascism (look up America First) and it seems like we’ve normalized it. Well, no, I don’t really think so. You see, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We will not get overwhelmed. We can process what is going on and we can protest–and vote. U.S. House and Senate midterm elections are November 3, 2026.

It’s happened before and history has a way of repeating itself. How to confront our current state of affairs? When just using words fail, there are alternatives, like political cartoons. What’s so powerful about political cartoons is that the very best of them continue to speak truth to power, well into the future and hold their relevance.

The “America First” isolationist slogan of yesteryear (U.S. reluctance to enter WW I) devolved into a loaded and not so subtle dog whistle for nationalists and fascists in the United States (U.S. insistence in not entering WW II). Donald Trump embraces it and uses it to represent U.S. foreign policy (U.S. avoidance of becoming involved with Ukraine, disparaging NATO and readily appeasing Russia).

Any American, no matter who you voted for in the last election, who appreciates we’ve entered into a crisis, can stay tuned, stay informed and voice your concern. You can protest, of course. You can contact your representative. You can vote. Here are some resources: You can streamline contacting your representatives with @5calls and Common Cause. You can also join the upcoming national protest at the Washington Mall on March 14, 2025. Go to nowmarch.org. At the end of the day, I believe that Americans just want an honest and straightforward government.

America First? No, it’s just that those of us that believe we’ve already entered into a Constitutional Crisis, to say the least, want America to return to the good work of aspiring to be at its genuine best (no doubt, it’s a journey): to lead, to care and work for the American people. No more secret hand gestures and signals. No more kleptocracy. Did any honest American voters vote for a kleptocracy? Didn’t think so.

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Todd Webb interview: The Cartoonist, the Comic Strip and THE POET

Comics artist Todd Webb chats about his ongoing comic strip, THE POET, which he posts daily to Substack. Keep up with Todd Webb at toddbot.com. We discuss being a cartoonist, the comic strip format and the world of THE POET! What is this comic strip about? Read my review here. Basically, you have the elder poet, searching for the meaning of life, and his snarky pigeon cohort always ready to knock him down a peg. And you just run with that premise.

The process of creating comics is multi-layered and complex. There’s quite a bit going on for an art form that hasn’t always gotten the respect it deserves. Well, attitudes have evolved over the years. The more I think about the comic strip format, in relation to the comics medium and beyond it, I find more and more to ponder over. The essence of a comic strip is to pare down to the basics. That said, just like any other creative endeavor, it’s all about how you get there.

Comic strips have been under the critical, and academic, microscope more and more over the years. After over one hundred years of comic strips, with landmark comic strips paving the way, from Krazy Kat to Peanuts, we have definitely had the time to make inroads in comics scholarship, which continues to find its place. After all, even a hint of “comics studies” really only dates back a few decades, when you stop and think about it, with such notable titles as Will Eisner’s Comics and Sequential Art in 1985 and Scott McCloud’s Understanding Comics in 1993.

Comic strips evolved, truly blossomed, with American newspapers. What we have now is a brave new world of online comics. If we consider comics scholarship to be a relatively new thing, then online comics is but a blink of an eye in the big picture. We discuss this subject as part of our conversation which naturally dovetails into a deep dive into how artist Todd Webb answers the call with his comic strip, The Poet, which he publishes daily and collects into a volume format and smaller books. You can say that Webb has learned his lessons well and incorporates many of the beloved tropes and mechanisms that go into a successful comic strip.

Today’s THE POET comic strip.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this or that work of comics. My general rule is to never forget to let the comic strip speak for itself. Upon reading one episode of The Poet, and as I steadily progressed, I was utterly charmed. It’s fascinating to me that a nice straightforward comic strip, pared down to the essentials, can speak to just about anything under the sun. And, yes, it is poetic, for good measure.

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Surrealism, Bugs Bunny, and the Blues by Franklin Rosemont book review

Surrealism, Bugs Bunny, and the Blues: Selected Writings on Popular Culture. Franklin Rosemont. Editors Abigail Susik. Paul Buhle. PM Press. 368pp. 2025. $26.95
The art of the essay provides a platform for writers to share their subject and perhaps a bit about their worldview. We read essays all the time, usually as reviews, mainly on books, movies and music. And there are notable collections such as Pauline Kael’s oeuvre. A writer who likes to write such essays tends to like a lot of things and Franklin Rosemont (1943-2009) was no exception. Rosemont was passionate about the masses, mass media and how it all interconnected. In this collection, the reader is swept up by Rosemont’s thoughts and vivid writing on the inclusive power of entertainment, particularly, cinema, comics, Surrealism, and popular music.
Beginning in the 1960s, and for the next thirty some years, Rosemont wrote and edited for progressive magazines, the two main ones being Cultural Correspondence (1975-1983) and Radical America (1967-1999). It seems only natural that Rosemont made connections with the Left, especially the Labor movement, and the democratic nature of mass entertainment. Anyone is free to enjoy it, to contribute to it, to be transformed by it. As I read one essay after another, I was moved by the cumulative effect of Rosemont’s arguments, his deep belief that everyone has a place at the cultural table.

“The Dream That Came True,” by Dust Wallin, One Big Union Monthly, May 1920.

 

Mad Magazine, May 1, 1954. Basil Wolverton. As subversive as he needed to be.

The more I read, the more I gave myself over to the people power theme in these essays. It certainly fits in well with Rosemont’s writing on cartoonists for Wobbly newspapers, like Industrial Worker (1909-1931). But can one be certain that Basil Wolverton (Mad Magazine, 1950s) was so closely aligned with the proletariat, as Rosemont seems to imply in another essay? Well, maybe so but you just never know for sure. The greatest satirists will leave you wondering which side they’re on, if any. Of course, one can argue that anything unusual in the 1950s potentially carried subtext. It is a different case with the Surrealist movement which, beginning with its founder, Andre Breton, made clear it was indeed an anti-fascist movement. It’s interesting to consider Surrealism’s history, starting in 1924 and into the 1950s. What began as an art and political movement, in response to the aftermath of World War I, was constantly pushing against authority. In this context, it is not surprising to bring in the subject of anarchists. One of Rosemont’s most insightful essays discusses how the anarchist political and philosophical movement, focused on the viability of stateless societies, came to be maligned in the United States and caricatured as bomb-toting terrorists.
It’s the 1920s, the era of silent movies, where I will conclude my review. If we are looking for connective tissue to Rosemont’s writings, we need look no further than dreams. It is in the land of dreams, after all, that we can all indulge our most subversive desires. We can all return to our youthful ambitions of leading the charge in the subculture! It is the world of silent movies, with its play of light and shadow and uncanny expression that we enter a netherworld closely aligned with our own private slumberland. In this world, such figures as Buster Keaton, the Great Stone Face, reign supreme. No wonder such a world would utterly fascinate Rosemont and lead to some of his most compelling writing. Here is an excerpt:
These two films (Sherlock Jr., 1924; Cameraman, 1928) best exemplify Keaton’s revolutionary/poetic worldview. When he passes through the looking-glass, he is not content merely to see what is on the other side: he braves his way through a whole succession of looking-glasses, each behind the other, and each reflecting only the meagerest hint of what we call “the real.” And what motive could possibly underlie such feverish wanderings back and forth through the interpenetrating spheres of the pluriverse? The answer is crystal clear: Keaton’s audacity is in the service of sublime love. His agility is always radiant with a lover’s grim determination. There is no risk that he will not take for the woman he loves. Only Buster Keaton, moreover, can sustain a single kiss for two years (The Paleface, 1921).
We can always return back to Keaton, with that iconic poker face, champion of subversion but always leaving you to wonder as to what side he’s on, if any. When I simply consider Keaton’s artistic considerations, I feel confident he was seeking a more universal tone with whatever he did. Let his movies speak for him, he would say. Ah, there’s that one scene with Keaton (Cops, 1922) when he takes a bomb, by then popularly accepted as the symbol for the anarchist or, more plainly, widespread mayhem, uses it to light his cigarette, and then throws it back to the police. A great political statement? Hmm, how about just a funny visual prank? The Great Stone Face would never tell.
Like any great collection of essays, there is something for everyone in this book. Give yourself over to the vast array of subjects discussed here, and you’ll be the richer for it. I can imagine Rosemont going from one cultural signpost after another and reaching his own conclusions such as embracing Bugs Bunny as a folk hero for the masses. Well, more than fair enough. And he takes it one step further and implicates Elmer Fudd. Again, more than fair enough, as well as relevant for today. Yes, be wary of the Elmer Fudds of the world, those who only think in terms of transactions. The Fudds of the world are the conformists and the sell-outs. But, with will and determination, the Bugs Bunnies of the world will prevail!

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Milky Zest by Steve Hogan comics review

Milky Zest. Steve Hogan. Acid Keg Comics. One-Shot. 2024. 28pp. $5.99

I would never tell Steve Hogan to stop making comics even though this comic book is begging me to do so. Ah, I only kid. I kid in the stubbornly ironic way that Hogan loves. If you followed alt-comics in the ’90s, you know precisely what brand of humor I’m talking about. It permeated the very air. All of hipsterdom worshiped the crass sarcasm tempered by a devastating self-deprecation. That was Gen X sensibility for you. In our youth, we valued spot-on humor and were not overly timid and cautious in its pursuit. It was a certain vibe we were playing with in music, fashion and comics: Peter Bagge’s Hate; Daniel Clowes’s Eightball; Rick Altergott’s Doofus, and so on.

Steve Hogan provides a sharp wit that harkens back to the snarky humor of ’90s alt-comics and makes it his own. At a deeper level, Hogan also honors the respect for craft with spot-on design sense. The antecedents date back even further to mid-century modern, dealing in crisp clean lines and a wry and dry sense of humor, often dealing with wacky and larger-than-life subjects. To engage in this kind of comics as a cartoonist today is certainly tricky. You don’t want to just repeat something that essentially already was a sly post-modern look back. That said, this retro style of comics is totally valid and various contemporary cartoonists work in it to one degree or another: Sammy Harkham and Rich Tomasso are a couple of excellent examples. As you can see from the page excerpt above, and the panel excerpt below, Hogan revels in visual treats and packs in as many added gags as possible.

The story for this comic is a fun MacGuffin-packed roller coaster of a tale. If you like a good comedy thriller with the very fabric of reality at stake, then this is for you. And, along with all the irony, there’s even a sweet romantic subplot. It turns out that our hero, Milky Zest, is a good guy with Tuesday, a good woman, by his side. It’s up to Milky to prove his worth as the newbie at a private detective agency. Little did he know that he would end up in the thick of a case with earth-shattering repercussions. Yeah, that sounds about right. All in all, I enjoyed this comic and, without a hint of irony, I look forward to what Steve Hogan does next.

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Tad in D.C.: A Bit of Humor in a Dire Time

“USAID is a criminal organization and needs to die.” — Elon Musk

An update from today’s across-the-board firings in the U.S. govt.–so far.

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L.A. STRONG Charity Comic Ready for Retail Orders

I’ve reviewed a number of anthologies, and read even more than I’ve shared, and the main thing I always come back to is clarity of purpose. The problem with comics anthologies based on tragedy is the slippery slope of coming across as maudlin but,  in the case of L.A. STRONG, I believe the end result works. What drives home the point is that here is a book where the proceeds from sales go to help those hurt by the Los Angeles fires. The publisher of this project, Mad Cave Studios, states that 100% of the profits are being donated to relief efforts. This book is being made immediately available to retailers via Lunar Distribution. So, if you own a comic book shop or bookstore, then this will be of special interest to you. For comics fans, L.A. STRONG will be available as of 03/19/25, and you can pre-order.

Art: P.J. Holden. Text: Geoff Ryman. Lettering: Jeff Eckleberry.

Art: Nicola Izzo. Text: Stephanie Phillips. Lettering: Jeff Eckleberry.

Art by Nicola Izzo.

Getting a chance to look over the sample pages, I gotta say that the above piece with art by Nicola Izzo really stands out. Honestly, you could buy this comic for this page alone.

Retailers, head over to Lunar or check out the mailer you have already received:

The comic book industry pulls together to support fellow creators who lost homes to the tragic 2025 Los Angeles fires with this benefit anthology special. Featuring contributions from Barbara Kessel, Brian Azzarello, Brian Michael Bendis, Christos Gage, Dan DiDio, Daniel Kibblesmith, Frank Tieri, Greg Pak, Jimmy Palmiotti, Jody Houser, Marv Wolfman, Paul Cornell, Rob DenBleyker, Sina Grace, Stephanie Phillips, Steve Orlando, Alex Cormack, Alison Sampson, Amanda Conner, Christian Ward, Geraldo Borges, Ian Churchill, Michael Avon Oeming, Nico Leon, Rian Gonzales, Salvador Larroca, Sami Kivelä, and many, many more. Together, as a community, we can be L.A. strong for one another! 100% of the profits will be donated for relief efforts.

Art: Janet Sung. Text: Christos Gage. Letterng: Jeff Eckleberry.

 

Retail:
$9.99
Initial Due Date:
2/24/2025
FOC Date:
2/24/2025
In-Store Date:
3/19/2025
UPC:
60196140480900111
Product Code:
1224MA843

 

Art: Rian Gonzales. Text: Jody Houser. Lettering: Jeff Eckleberry.

 

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The Poet by Todd Webb comics review

The Poet collection, Volume One

The Poet is a comic strip by Todd Webb. If you are not familiar with it, I encourage you to check it out. There are a number of ways to dive in, including purchasing a full collection or sampler book. First off, you can check it out online. The following are some of my own thoughts on the comic strip format in general and how Todd Webb’s remarkable comic strip fits into this tradition.

The art of the comic strip is a very specific format. What do I mean? Well, there are the differences in dynamics between superhero vs. indie; or the traditional art world vs. the comics medium. And then there’s the comic strip which most definitely has its own very specific turf. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if the diehard fan base for comic strips and graphic novels overlap very much. So, when you hear someone say, “Oh, it’s all just comics!” that is pure nonsense. Comics is not one big pot of stew. However, at the end of the day, I’d still like to think that there’s enough common ground. Anyway, this is all to say that I realize I spend a lot of time with issues dealing with the graphic novel, or what aficionados like to call, “long-form comics.” However, I also love comic strips, or “short-form comics,” and I like to create them as much as I do graphic novels. Basically, there’s a big shift in how you approach either one and only a few comics artist would dare to seriously pursue both. The best example I can give you is Bill Griffith, known for his ongoing comic strip, Zippy the Pinhead, who in more recent years has also maintained a regular output of some very significant graphic novels. With all that in mind, I shift gears to a comics artist who has focused his efforts on the comic strip with some fabulous results, Todd Webb, the creator of the ongoing comic strip, The Poet.

From a recent The Poet post.

There are a number of elements and traits unique to comic strips, a creature of the newspaper, with a whole set of traditions. What Todd Webb does best is respect those traditions and contribute something uniquely his own. That happens in many ways, both instantly and over a period of time. It begins with a notion that the cartoonist plays with; and that leads to a thought-out scene; and, ultimately, to a resolution which, in the case of The Poet, tends to be a gag or punchline of some kind involving a gentle poet and a skeptical pigeon.

The Poet and sampler books.

One of the most fascinating qualities of a comic strip is its potential for delivering something pleasant, even compelling, over and over again, in a very familiar setting, a pattern led by its anchoring main character. You have these things in graphic novels, of course, but not to such a formalized level–and perhaps that is one of the things that diehard fans find so attractive, a love affair with the familiar. Well, I see that Todd Webb understands this very well. The fact is that the loyal fan of the comic strip enjoys a good laugh delivered in a certain way and comic strips have this built-in delivery mechanism. If you honor that, you’re on the right track.

Comic strips, by their very nature, are compact and tend to not mince words. In fact, a verbose comic strip seems to go against the whole spirit of the format. The best example of a wordy, perhaps sometimes too wordy, comic strip has got to be Doonesbury. The gold standard is to make every single word count, very concise, near to a haiku. And the prize for the best example, arguably, is Peanuts. Here is where the diehard fans get their kicks in comparing who is best. And, I gotta say, it can be some pretty wacky fun. Apparently, the biggest rivalry is between fans of Peanuts and fans of the original Nancy. And, here again, I believe that Todd Webb fully appreciates the tropes, the canon, the whole tradition–and he delivers.

Comic strips are, as I say, a whole world onto themselves, just like New Yorker cartoons. You can push boundaries and limits but there’s much to say for keeping true to what works. One of the most distinguishable traits of any comic strip that wants to keep to the old school standards is regularity. If the cartoonist can set up a routine and platform that keeps this engine going, then the path is clear. Once you have created this well-oiled machine, you just keep delivering. You refine here and there. You make adjustments. But you ultimately stay on brand, whatever it is that you have cultivated. This is exactly what Webb has managed to construct over a series of various experiments. Finally, he hit upon something he was compelled to dedicate a substantial amount of time and effort: an elder gentleman poet and his wisecracking pigeon cohort. It’s a simple and clear concept and it delivers. You can find Webb’s latest comic strips on his Instagram and then you can take a deeper dive on his Substack. Plus, of course, you can buy his books and whatever else he might have for sale on his site.

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Waymo is My Friend: comics by Henry Chamberlain

I have grown quite curious, and sympathetic, to the comings and goings of Waymo cars. This is a discussion we are all gradually, yet steadily, beginning to share as Waymo becomes better known. If you’ve never heard of Waymo, I can appreciate that. And, if you’re hip to it, please stick around as well. I’ll share with you what I’ve experienced firsthand. In fact, you can view a YouTube video I did all about it here:

So, how many Waymos does it take to start a movement? I asked Google and, since it should know, especially since it runs Waymo, it states: “As of October 2024, Waymo operates around 300 driverless cars in San Francisco. This is part of a national fleet of about 700 driverless cars.” That seems like a fair amount! The rest of “the fleet” of robotaxis is in Austin, Phoenix and Los Angeles (with more cities emerging, like Atlanta). Nice start, don’t you think? Waymo was so special, only a few months ago, that you needed to be on a waiting list to get access to the app. On a visit to San Fran in November, it was no big deal for me to get the app and hop into a Waymo. As of this writing, the big thing right now is people posting their first Waymo rider experience. That is not going to end anytime soon. People’s reaction to Waymo appears to run the gamut from all-in early adopter to cautious newcomer.

I have to admit that Waymo, or any extended thoughts on self-driving cars, was not on my radar before my visit to San Francisco last November (just prior to the election of you-know-who). Waymo was way in the back of my mind, along with a million other bits of news items and random factoids. And, then, suddenly, I find myself loading up a new app and hopping into the future. I had recently read Mr. Penumbra’s 24-Hour Bookstore by Robin Sloan, the now-classic 2012 novel that plays with the tension and intermingling of bookish old hippie culture and nervy high tech in San Francisco. The night before, I had gone to a reading at the epicenter of the old guard counterculture, City Lights Bookstore. The moment I was finally inside, I felt a sense of relief and resolution: I had waited a certain amount of time; I had figured out a new app; I was already in the throes of being driven without anyone behind the wheel when it steadily became a new normal. Here I was, this bookish neo-hippie inside this futuristic vehicle (a taxi with a robot for a driver!) but I wasn’t quaking in my sandals!

In fact, there is more of a process in breaking in a new human driver interaction than there is in letting a machine do the work. And that, in a nutshell, is the essential difference; the crossing of a threshold done with each new innovation: letting go and letting the machine do the work!

Did the machine do as good as job as I would like? Well, a driverless car will inevitably be a better driver, overall, than I could ever hope to be what with the help of sensors, radar and cameras. A machine never gets tired or distracted. That said, a machine does not have the human touch, that common sense that tells a human driver what to do in a human moment. Anyway, while I was on this recent trip, I used a Waymo on three separate rides. I noticed that the Waymo does not truly know how to improvise. It will not do well with more obscure pickup spots, but neither will a human driver. A Waymo may opt to pick you up at an alternate location for no good reason, at least not for your benefit, and the same can be said for a human driver. A Waymo may pull over to the curb, again for no clear reason, at least not for your benefit, and so too a human. All that said, I never felt unsafe in a Waymo. We still have a long road ahead for Waymo but, overall, I remain optimistic. And, heck, I don’t always like to make small talk and the Waymo is more than cool with that.

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Les Normaux graphic novel review

Les Normaux. Janine Janssen. S. Al Sabado. HaperCollins. 2025. $30.

If you’re looking for something fun, breezy and with heart, then check out the new graphic novel, Les Normaux, which collects the popular LGBTQ+ webcomic for the first time. This is the story of boy wizard meets boy vampire set in Paris with a cast of supernatural characters. It’s like a cross between Bewitched and Emily in Paris.

These kind of soap opera comics are not without a certain amount of repetition and slow-paced narrative but that goes with the genre. I think it takes a magic touch to set the right tone and find ways for the characters to resonate with the reader and that is what the book’s creator, Janine Janssen, achieves. This comic is in the tradition of coming-of-age tales, with a witty sense of humor and an empathetic spirit, that will appeal to any reader. The artwork by Jansen, along with backgrounds and design by S.Al Sabado, compliment this comic’s upbeat vibe.

Our story kicks off when a young man grows weary of living at home and strikes out on his own. In no time, Sebastien is in a whirlwind of intrigue. No sooner has he set foot on his path to freedom than he crosses paths with Elia, a young man after his heart. Sebastien is a wizard-in-training. Elia is a seasoned vampire and fashion influencer. Paris and adventure, or misadventure, awaits. For those new to this webcomic, you can find it at Webtoon, where it has accumulated 95,000 subscribers and 8 million views since it began in 2021. This new book, published by Avon, an imprint of HarperCollins, collects the beloved webcomic for the first time as a graphic novel.

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Anders Nilsen Interview on TONGUES and the Art of Comics

Anders Nilsen is on a quest as a comics artist to deliver his vision as well as he can to the reader. That’s saying a lot when it comes to Nilsen as anyone who is familiar with his work can attest. The new collection of his work is Tongues, Volume 1, published by Pantheon Books, a division of Penguin Random House, pub date is Mar 11, 2025  and you can pre-order. My review here. Once you enter this book, from the first page onward, you are transported to a sort of netherworld that leads you from one realm to the next, the worlds of gods and humans. Questions regarding existence and divinity are asked and answered as a common exchange.
We ran into a bit of technical difficulty and naturally opted to pursue an email interview. Basically, this is one of those interviews that allows for so much latitude in regards to approach given all the material that can potentially be covered. For this one, I thought it might make sense to do a bit of comparison between the two big books in Nilsen’s career with greatest overlap. And so we came up with what could have been over an hour of chat, perhaps over a couple of cups of coffee, distilled down to what you read below. I don’t take anything for granted and I’m very grateful for the time and care involved in Anders’s thoughtful responses.

Page excerpt from Tongues.

HENRY CHAMBERLAIN: Thank you, Anders, for doing this interview. I can only imagine things remain chaotic, one way or another, for everyone in Los Angeles.
ANDERS NILSEN: Yeah, it’s been a weird time. My wife and I did actually evacuate briefly. We lost power and internet on the second day of the fires, and then a new blaze popped up that evening in the Hollywood Hills, which is only a couple of miles away from us. So we went to stay with a friend in the far south end of the city for three nights until the power came on again. In the grand scheme of things it was a small disruption, but it’s definitely a weird feeling to have to decide in an hour or two what stuff you value most in the world. And our cats were very grumpy about it.

Page excerpt from Big Questions.

At the time of this interview, we’re about a month before the release of Tongues, Volume 1 (03/11/2024). Looking back at the time of the release of your other work of comparable size and scope, the collected Big Questions (08/16/11), how would you compare these two milestones in your career?
They are very different moments for me. Big Questions wasn’t the first book I published, but it was the project that got me started being serious about making comics, and I think of it as being my, like, 12 year graduate school in comics. That’s how I learned how the medium worked, basically, and how I figured out how I wanted to approach it. You can see it in the book itself – the early pages are sort of roughly drawn – partly on purpose, but not entirely. I was figuring things out as I went. Tongues on the other hand felt like “okay, now I know what I’m doing, more or less, here’s a chance to start out with something like command of my medium. I’ve still learned a ton working on this book, but I was a much more capable artist from the start of it.
Tongues is also a culmination for me. Every other book I’ve done has grown out of small experiments and messing around in my sketchbooks. Tongues didn’t. It grew out of those other finished works. There’s a way in which it feels like everything I’ve done in comics to this point has led me to this project. Everything has built up to this. So that’s also very different.

Poor Prometheus.

Prometheus is a titan in Greek mythology who commited the sin of helping (or creating) humanity with the gift of fire (knowledge). This provides a jumping off point for Tongues as you have a Prometheus story that continues and branches off from the original. You explicitly have humanity gain the gift of language; and you have a Prometheus moving beyond his imprisonment from the gods. Would you share with us a bit about how you play and interact with the story of Prometheus?
Sure. I love that story. I know the basic version from reading that mythology as a kid, pouring over it. So the basic outline is sort of burned into my head. I did a short story several years back (in Rage of Poseidon) playing with the idea of his ‘eternal’ punishment extending into the present, as it reasonably would. And it touched on his relationship with the eagle that is sent every day to eat his liver. The eagle is his tormentor, but it’s also his only friend, the only other mind he interacts with. And in my work birds usually talk. So I was interested in that relationship. What would it be like? What a weird tension, right? Full of possibilities. And his traditional role as creator of humanity also allows me to get into human nature and evolution which I have a longstanding interest in. And then when I actually read more deeply, Prometheus’ story only got more interesting. Our basic conception of the story comes from the playwright Aeschylus in 480 BCE (or thereabouts). But his play, Prometheus Bound is only one of a trilogy – the other two are lost, we don’t even know if Prometheus Bound is the first or the last in the series. They are very sketchily understood from other contemporary writing, but again, what a great sandbox to get to play in, and to get to fill in the blanks with my own bastardized version. And then, lastly, there’s a tension with Zeus, the king of the gods, who arranges the punishment. Prometheus literally translates as “forethought” – he can see into the future, at least some parts of it. And so he knows which of Zeus’s offspring will come to overthrow him, and when – as happened to his father and grandfather before him. But he hates Zeus, and refuses to tell him, despite being tortured for eternity. So… yeah. Great material to muck around with.
If I tried to give a brief explanation/comparison of Big Questions (658 pages) and Tongues (368 pages), I would say that one book has the creatures of the gods looking up, trying to make sense of the gods; and the latter book has the gods looking down, trying to make sense of the creatures. Did things just work out that way or do you think your ongoing storytelling was leading in that direction?
Wow, that’s great, I actually hadn’t thought about that inversion in that way, but yes, that completely makes sense. Although in a way in Tongues, by the present, the humans have, in a way, surpassed the gods. Though only in a way. But yes, I think both books are trying to play with, to conceptualize a relationship to divinity, to the universe, to the very strange fact of being alive in the world. And it only makes sense to come at it from both directions, eventually. And I guess in Tongues, one of my favorite characters is the Eagle. And she’s trying to understand both.
Of course, Tongues has been brewing and evolving, in one form or another, over many years, back to, in small part, Dogs and Water (2005) and, more explicitly in Rage of Poseidon (2013). Would you share with us a bit on the building blocks that you were working with back then and how they proved to be part of something bigger?
The connection with Dogs and Water is a good story. So D+W was my first published book, and out of everything I’ve done, for some reason it has had the most random interest in the film rights. For several years after it was published I would get random emails from rock stars or people in film about turning it into a movie. Usually it would be one or two emails and then they would disappear and the idea wouldn’t go anywhere. But in 2009 or so a Canadian production company got in touch and it got far enough that I agreed to write a script for a feature. The book is honestly not that substantial, so it involved adding some new material. There’s one scene in the book where the main character, a young man with a teddy bear strapped to his back, lost in the middle of nowhere, is passed on the road by a sort of military caravan. These Canadian filmmakers suggested expanding that scene, maybe having one truck stop and having some sort of interaction. Which I was interested in. So I wrote that scene into the script. Well, the movie went nowhere, but that scene stuck in my head. I really liked it. And disliked that it would never see the light of day. So years later when I was beginning to think about a new long-form graphic novel I decided to incorporate that scene. It’s the first thing in Tongues that I actually drew. It’s funny, though, it’s the same character, but in a sort of alternate world. And the bear on his back is not the same bear. 
Part of assembling the elements of Tongues was very much a process of throwing obstacles down in my path to just see what would happen. I was specifically interested in dumping this D+W thing in with Prometheus, and human nature and the tensions of the middle east, etc etc. They didn’t really make sense together, but it felt like something interesting might arise out of that tension.
Incidentally a short film was eventually made from the final quarter or so of Dogs and Water by a director named Randy Krallman. But again, basically no one has ever seen it. It’s beautifully shot. But will probably never be seen, sadly.
Reading Tongues is such a pleasure. It is an understatement to say that it brings together all of your strengths in comics art. Looking over pages, I want to point out a few like the two-page spread (p116-117) which depicts Astrid and her father walking around the mall and engaged in a very serious conversation. Recently, I stumbled upon the comics term, the De Luca Effect. Is that familiar to you? I’ve discovered that some of the greatest cartoonists using this technique are not familiar with the term. Basically, it’s a way to have one (or more) characters inhabiting different moments in the same space. My guess is that this is simply something that emerged during your process. In fact, your use of it includes “panels,” which technically would not be used in this technique. All very theoretical stuff!
Oh, that’s cool, no I don’t think I’ve ever heard that term before. But I love doing that in certain places. It feels like it breaks up time in a slightly different way than normal panelling. Slows it down, or makes it slightly quieter, or more meditative, potentially. Although I’ve probably used it in other, more kinetic ways, too.
That brings me to your own very distinctive use of panels. Heck, I would call them the Nilsen Effect! Would you share with us a bit about your use of polygons and the like?
Sure, yeah, panelling was something I was very much interested in playing with in Tongues. I’m interested in panels in comics as ‘frames of experience’. So, like, the structure and arrangement of panels influences the way a reader reads a scene. And how the scene feels This is obvious in a way, but it’s not really exploited that much. Regular squares or rectangles are an easy way to break up action, but they also have an effect on the reader. In Big Questions I found that regular, repetition of evenly spaced square panels helped create a regular rhythm which was useful for, say, conversations between two birds, where there wasn’t a lot of action. They were great for that. In D+W I did the whole book without any panel borders. And that had a very different, very particular effect on the feel of the story. It emphasized the open blankness of that landscape, and it had an effect of making it feel (I think) a little less like your focus was being dictated by the author. It felt more open. For Tongues I wanted to try some other stuff. In particular I wanted it to feel like the structure of each page was almost an object unto itself. And to echo the unfolding feel of the ‘magic cube’ in the story. This becomes more explicitly about the structure of reality when Astrid has her ‘audience’ in the underground pit and the dream/hallucination that follows. And then there’s the Prisoner’s Dream sequence at the beginning of the book. One reviewer described it as the ritual reading of entrails. Which I love. I hadn’t thought of that, but I wanted it to feel like a kind of magical ritual state. And also like a dream. The framing of panels with animal forms, or the plant forms of Prometheus’ ‘garden’ feels to me a little like framing lyrics with music in a song. It’s a literal marrying of two different sides of the brain in that context. Which automatically is going to deepen things and give it texture and tone and weirdness. It’s a tool.
If you will bear with me, I also wanted to point out the fascinating progression of your comics art in Big Questions. You reach a point, where you start to make use of the two-page spread and never look back. I hope that makes sense. I’m just saying that, at some point in your evolving as a comics artist, you saw the full potential of the two-page canvas and made it your own. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
That’s cool, yeah, I like to throw in a good two-page spread now and then. I feel like I should be more conscious than I am of the spread as a unit, rather than the single page. Because that is the visual whole that the reader encounters when they turna page, really. But it’s also good to be able to have the two-page spreads break up the rhythm of the sequence of pages. To establish rhythms and then occasionally break them. Just one more thing to play with.
Also, it appears that you made use of an original page size format that was about twice or less bigger than the printed page. Your originals are (or were) on 11″x14″ bristol. Do you still use that size or have you bumped up to something bigger? I noticed that, as you evolved, your lettering got a little smaller while the compositions and characters appear to take up more space than can easily accommodate your original page size unless, of course, you simply refined your process.
That’s incredibly perceptive. Yeah, my originals are bigger now. The first issue of Tongues was a little all over the place, but at this point my original pages are 12.5″ x 17″. So about 150% of the printed page. Roughly. Sometimes the page has to get expanded a bit. As for the lettering… don’t look too closely. The size changes a bit here and there. There are some things I could probably be more systematic about. But… maybe some day.
Another process question I must ask is all the production upgrades you made in Tongues, compared with Big Questions. That said, once you catch your stride in Big Questions, the improvement is apparent. Just the inclusion of those amazing geometric patterns alone indicates more and more dazzling art up ahead. And then you take things further with your own distinctive use of color. Not only is it a sophisticated color palette but you push boundaries, as on page 133, daring to have black text rest on such a dark purple background–and still be fully readable. I can only imagine that your own fine arts background compelled you to take on the role of a colorist, and at such a high level of complexity. What can you tell us about your coloring and production work?
Yeah, when I was getting started I had friends ask why I wanted to use color. Like, what’s the point? And… I don’t know, partly I just wanted to do something I hadn’t done before. And I did go to school for painting once upon a time, like you say. And color can convey a lot (obviously). I love doing the color, but it is also a TON of work. I’ve had folks helping out for most of the book, but that can get very expensive. It’s part of the reason I have only been able to do like 50 pages a year. But yes, I love the way I can suggest light and atmosphere, darkness and backlighting. It adds so much. And some of the artists that I admire most have been great colorists. Moebius, Herge, Chris Ware, CF, Sarah Glidden. After Tongues is done I might never do a full-color comic again. But I’m in it for now, more or less happily. 
You have said that you had to make a choice between “artist” and “cartoonist” and you chose the latter. That said, I wonder if you’ve come around to accepting yourself simply as an artist. Whatever the case, your work is extraordinary and you have every right to embrace the role of artist.
Thanks. Yeah, I do think of myself as both. I probably use the words depending on the context and who I’m talking to. Or who I’m trying to get paid by, maybe. I definitely see what I do as wider than just comics, but it’s the comics world that embraced my work early on, and I’m very happy with that label, and being connected to that tradition. But I also think of myself as a storyteller and a book designer and a drawer and… probably a few other things. 
I would add that I understand the hesitancy in calling oneself an artist. I also come from a fine arts background and I also reached a point where I needed to seriously pursue comics. And yet I still love to draw and paint, as I’m sure you do. We are both of a certain vintage where a fine arts major was the only game in town, no comics diplomas, and I think that’s all just fine. Who knows, perhaps younger art students will be secretly creating paintings outside of their comics curriculum! I believe things have sort of come full circle with the comics medium elevated well into the “art-academic complex,” as I sometimes call it.
Yeah, comics had definitely not penetrated academia when I was a student. I had to push upstream a bit to do them. Then when I taught for a couple of years I sometimes wished that my students weren’t quite so focussed on a single medium. And I feel the same way about the publishing industry at times, too, or maybe the market. But the world is what it is, and I’m happy to have found a place in it from which to occasionally push against boundaries.
I will ask just a couple of more questions and please feel free to add anything I might have missed. Essentially, what I get from Tongues is that the gods usually are not concerned with the humans unless the humans make themselves an inconvenience or outright danger. For me, the whole book is operating in this sort of timeless god-time. Of course, the “present time” rears its head, as in the mention of smartphones and social media.
Figuring out how to deal with the passage of deep time has been one of the really fun problems to play with in this book, for sure, specifically Prometheus’ long sleep. There’s definitely a certain suspension of disbelief I am asking of my readers in that regard. Our brains aren’t really built for geologic time, of course, or even the sweep of human history, which is a tiny fraction of it. Its almost a kind of absurdity to try and make a graphic novel about such things. But it’s been fun to try.
I realize that the evolution of the whole Tongues narrative has been years in the making. Are you satisfied with it so far and can see pursuing it further? There are certainly numerous reasons to continue, and at the pace you’ve been going too. That opens a whole discussion on creating work as a series. Basically, it seems the stage is set for you to do whatever works best for you.
Yeah, the story is only half done. Volume 2 is underway. So I’m committed to another few years, at least. Thankfully Pantheon has been very open to me self-publishing the individual issues as I go, which is a huge help. It’s such a lot of work, its good to break the deadlines up.
Lastly, as we embark on this year and beyond, with its many challenges, I find that seeking out the transcendent is a path that will recharge one with clarity and strength for the struggles ahead. If you would like to share any spiritual reflections, please feel free to do so.
Yeah, the next few years are going to be a lot. I don’t know that I have any special wisdom, but I’ve been paying attention to my breathing lately. Which is sometimes tremendously helpful. And I am very lucky to live near Griffith Park in Los Angeles. It’s a big semi-wilderness in the middle of the city. You can lose yourself there and cross paths with coyotes and deer and owls and crows. It’s a gift as far as I’m concerned. It has been a huge positive in my life, creative and otherwise. Watching the changes in light and weather and vegetation between day and night and season to season, feeling the deep quiet of the place… it helps make this insane world bearable for me. It’s finally been raining a bit here lately, after the fires. I’m excited to get to watch the park bloom and turn green again in the next week or so. I was up there last week after a difficult day and spent about 15 minutes watching two crows circle and chase one another in formation, continuously looping and surfing the updrafts. It was so beautiful to watch, and looked like such fun. I’m very grateful I have that.
Thank you!

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